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Monday, June 27, 2005

The Enemy of My Enemy

Yes, I know it's a big day in the SCOTUS, but before that completely consumes the news cycle I want make a quick point.

Considering the uproar over Rove's remarks last week, the Left missed a perfect opportunity this weekend to prove that they can stand with President Bush and condemn a common enemy. Not only is there no commentary on the Iranian elections to that effect, but some liberals can't even suppress their smile:
"Excuse Me, Mr. President?
A question for George Bush: where were the Iranians you stand with, those who stand for freedom and democracy, on Friday? They must not have been at polls, for arch-conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected the next president of the Islamic Republic in a landslide. Maybe they bought into your idea that the Iranian elections are a sham, or maybe they were too busy buying chadors and long-sleeved shirts in preparation for a return to strict Islamic codes of behavior, but despite some questions of fraud and voter intimidation, Ahmadinejad won with enough of a margin to put to rest the idea that Iranians are ready for regime-change. "
Real nice Hooman; a victory for religious oppression, a victory for radical Islam, and a victory for terrorism, but a loss for George Bush and that is reason enough to gloat. Spare me the tears the next time people accuse you of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
**Update**
In case you have any doubts that this election is very bad news.

22 Comments:

Blogger Greg Mills said...

"Spare me the tears the next time people accuse you of giving aid and comfort to the enemy."

Spare me the hysterics. Aid and comfort to the enemy? Could we just take the rhetoric to even more absurd heights?

So, again, we see the validation of mob accusations. Hooman is wrong, or at least he (she?) isn't adding any points to the debate. But when you start tossing around "Aid and Comfort to the Enemy" -- a capital crime -- as an empty rhetorical point, you aren't exactly making any point yourself.

So it's OKAY that some hot head wacko mob can point anywhere and shout "Treason" and you're fine just sitting there and not doing anything about it? "I told you so". Cretins are okay as long as they're your cretins. Is Hooman actively being treasonous? Is the definition of treason so elastic as to include being pointlessly provocative, as Hooman was?

You are comfortable having a world view where arguably 45%-55% of your fellow countrymen are "treasonous"? Why live here, then, in this treacherous snake pit? If your broad assertions are correct, THAT'S the reality you live in. And that looks a lot like a Civil War. I have yet to have heard one shot fired. And we still have time to chatter like yentas over the corpse of Teri Shiavo, the trial of Michael Jackson and watch Tom Cruise become even more annoying. Clearly this is not a nation in crisis.

You're just adding to the churn, Robespierre. And with realitively few adjustments I could post this on "Leftist" blogs, too. I believe there are around 400,000 active bloggers in the US. Some are smart. Some are sub-mongoloids. And there is a disproportionate amount of loud mouth idiots (my self included). The blogosphere isn't reality. It's the chatter of semi-elites.

And when you say "the Left", what do you mean? The Maoist wackos of Not In Our Name? Quakers? Joe Lieberman? Pat Buchanon? Chuck Hegel? All democrats? The greens? Could you be more vague? That's as bad as using "Neo-Con". (Actually it's a different sort of error.)

Sorry I was a little ranty, but c'mon, let's show a little epistemological humilty here.

And for reference:
I wasn't for the war. But I think leaving would be idiotic.

(And I would be least angry being described as a "libertarian" by another person.

6/27/2005 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

"Spare me the hysterics. Aid and comfort to the enemy? Could we just take the rhetoric to even more absurd heights?"

A little rhetorical flair to get a response. Apparently it worked. I didn't call for this guy to be brought up on charges, I just think he's a jerk with an anti-American streak.

My whole reason for this post was that this moron's atitude made me angry. I don't think his sentiment is shared by the majority (45-55%) of Democrats in this country, but it's definitly the mindset of the Liberal elites (what I mean by the Left).

Bottom line: You have to seriously question the mindset of someone who could react to this election with anything but disgust.

6/27/2005 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

"Liberal elites"????

You did it again. "Neo-Con Cabal". "Liberal elites". "Neo-Con elites". "Liberal cabal." "A Cabal of Neo-Liberal elites." They're meaningless platitudes.

Who do you mean? Why hide behind conspiratorial language?

And you did get a reaction...so? To what point? Why the Dr. Phil? Are you adding information? Did anyone learn anything, other than you're yet another proud ideologue taking a lazy tact? And I doubt you changed anyone's mind. You just got a point with the tribe.

"I just think he's a jerk with an anti-American streak."

Okay, reasonable. Why not say that? Why get so fancy with with your sarcasm that your meaning is lost?

Obviously everyone does it, and it's bugged me for a long time. Your post just caught me at the "right" time, you lucky bastard.

6/27/2005 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Hell man, do a Google for "Liberal Elites" if you're not sure what the term means. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.

And honestly, if you don't like fancy sarcasm, why bother with blogs? Read the AP wire instead.

Since you have such trouble reading between the lines, let me spell this post out for you. People like Hooman can't understand why they are considered anti-american (or God forbid treasonous), I'm just enlightening them.

6/27/2005 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

"People like Hooman can't understand why they are considered anti-american (or God forbid treasonous), I'm just enlightening them"

How the hell are you going to enlighten them if they don't know what the hell you're talking about?

Look, just because I don't belong to the "Liberal Elites" getting club, doesn't make your post any less lazy.

I'm just saying defining a generality with another generality makes me doubt you have anything original to say. If you don't have an idea that can't be expressed without a nudge-and-wink shibboleth to your pals, maybe your idea is simply recycled.

Your crutch pretty much limits any authority you have.

You care about your team. That is much is clear. But perhaps you can do a better job getting players for your team if you wrote convincibly with your own voice instead of being being a rip-off of a thousand AM radio hacks who in turn are ripping off Limbaugh (who is a good talker).

Just a thought. And I still don't know who the liberal elites are.

6/27/2005 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

"How the hell are you going to enlighten them if they don't know what the hell you're talking about? "

Bobo, you don't seem to "get" much, but don't go projecting that on to everyone. Furthermore, I don't have anything original to say? Did you even read your own post today? Michael Savage has been doing the schtick for about 5 years now. Glad I could inspire you though, don't say I never gave you nothin...

6/27/2005 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

Not being aware of Savage's oeuvre, I'll take your word for it.

Is he a conservative elite?

6/27/2005 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

No, he's just a regular idiot.

6/27/2005 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

Is he part of the idiot elite?

6/27/2005 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

Brash -- no hard feelings.

Will you form an elite with me?

Your choice.

6/27/2005 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

I think the horse is dead bobo, let's just let it be.

6/27/2005 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

Not sure if I am allowed to interject here, but...

I, too, am sick of the name calling. And that is what it is, no more no less. We haven't moved past kindergarten, yet.

With Iran, who knows what the fuck is going on there. But the quote you provide doesn't seem anti-american. Just seems as a jab at Bush. Bush is trying to grease the skids to eventual invasion of Iran, so he had better make it look like the locals want it. What the quote is saying is that, based on elections results, it does not appear that the people want it.

Now, I am not saying the elections were legit (I have my doubts about this country's elections, let alone someone else's), but where is the anti-American rhetoric?

I think too many people think if you question the President, you are questioning our Country, that when you question the legitimacy of the invasion of Iraq, you are not supporting the troops. Are you really that closeminded? The President and his pals are men (and women), are they superhuman? Are they imbued with magical powers? No, they are human and prone to human actions. It would be unpatriotic not to question their actions, if one felt they were bad for the Country. That is were I stand. I love this Country, but do not like the leadership. So I will speak out when and where I can.

And Brash, should we just bomb Iran now? No plan is necessary right? I mean, I'm sure just like Rumsfeld said about Iraq, our soldiers will be out 6 months after the start, so what is the big deal right? Oh, and we have an inexhaustable well o' financing, so lets do it!

6/27/2005 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Ned,
I thought you were supposed to be the voice of reason around here...

Read the guy's article. Is it an anti-American rant? No. Does he say he's happy about what happend? No. But that wasn't my point.

Question the president all you want, just don't celebrate a foreign policy failure because it happens on Bush's watch. Democracy in Iran is good for all of us, not just Bush.

6/27/2005 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

BTW, I don't remember a lot of gloating when the Shah fell. Rather than a sassy "Excuse me Mr. President?", the headline usually read "Oh Shit"

6/27/2005 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

We were having a moment, this sort of thing is so fleeting.

Far as Iran, I don't think we could go in there and pull an Allende, if you get my drift.

And if you want to see more Islamic terrorism, invade a strict Islamic state like Iran. I'm just guessing.

It would be nice, if one were in an interventionist mood, to distribute cheap decentralized media...cell phones, etc, to friendly folks on the inside. just wind 'em up and let 'em go.

6/27/2005 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

"It would be nice, if one were in an interventionist mood, to distribute cheap decentralized media...cell phones, etc, to friendly folks on the inside. just wind 'em up and let 'em go. "

Actually that's happening. Problem is that the mullahs are aware of that and are doing everything they can to disrupt it.

If you're really interested in the topic, that Free Iran link on the side has a lot of info.

6/27/2005 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

Yeah, SMS brought down the Estrada government in the Phillipines.

And I will check out the link.

6/27/2005 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Crackpot Press said...

Man, people been working today...

I can't keep up with all the 25 cent words so I sticking with two cents.

You mean Anti-American like "Outing a CIA operative?" then letting the reporters who did your dirty work rot in a jail cell?

6/27/2005 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

"I didn't call for this guy to be brought up on charges, I just think he's a jerk with an anti-American streak."

Your words, Brash, not mine.

I read his rant (and, for the record I don't give little Miss Arianna any of my time) and didn't see the "gloating".

"Question the president all you want, just don't celebrate a foreign policy failure because it happens on Bush's watch. Democracy in Iran is good for all of us, not just Bush."

I am saddened by foriegn policy failure, and will admit that if a little mud on their faces will bring about a change of course, then BushCo should take the heat. Can't we expect our leaders to do what they can to correct a bad situation? And if we feel they are not doing an acceptable job, shouldn't we call them to task? Now, there is no way in hell that BushCo can be expected to correct decades of poor foreign policy (at least in hindsight from my position). He and his cronies are not an island unto themselves. But someone, somewhere, has to stand up and do the right thing. Easy, Brash, I meant the CORRECT thing!

And I concur, as would most people, that the situation in Iraq is not comfortable. But lets see, decades of meddling have led to this, and we can't see the light at the end of the tunnel in Iraq, so which direction of policy should we take? The past failures? Or the current failures?

6/27/2005 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

I think Hooman's might be a little more nuanced than your read, to whit:

And even those who stand with the U.S. on this, the ones who initially boycotted the election will admit... that President Khatami’s rule has resulted in a much more open society. Their problem is that it isn’t open enough, and some of them want candidates who will deliver a truly western-style democracy. Our problem, of course, is that it doesn’t appear that they are in the majority, or at least not right now.

Also, Hooman is a wealthy, Westernized Iranian, I hate to use the word exile if only because he's a mack daddy pimp. Of the Iranian (or Persian) exiles I know, even the liberals, 100% would like very much to see liberalization. I think subtler reading of this is Hooman is bummed AND he thinks Bush is an asshat.

6/27/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Bobo,
I agree with your analysis, and that's the crux of my issue with the guy. It seems like he hates Bush more than he loves Iran (and by extension the US). Hence the title of the post and hence the closure of the circle.

6/27/2005 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

Well, I think if you're an exile of any country, you get used to being played like zither by politicians (see: Miami Beach). I think you get tired of hearing bullpucky being dropped by politicians and Hooman is calling Bush on his. Basically Hooman is calling Bush nothing less than a politician.

6/27/2005 04:04:00 PM  

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