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Monday, June 06, 2005

***EXCLUSIVE*** Limburg Uncovers Evidence of the Worst Abuse Yet

So this report on the alleged Koran abuses at Guantanamo Bay was released last Friday, and liberal heads everywhere exploded with righteous indignation. In a nutshell, it revealed that:
"... of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail by reviewing thousands of pages of written records, five were confirmed. He could not determine conclusively whether the other four took place."
and specifically:
"In the March incident, as described in the report, the guard had left his observation post to go outside to urinate. The wind blew his urine through an air vent into the cell block. The guard's supervisor reprimanded him and assigned him to gate guard duty, where he had no contact with detainees, for the rest of his assignment at Guantanamo Bay."
Unfortunately, most were already sans head before they got to the part that stated
"Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Korans. 'These included using a Koran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Koran, attempting to flush a Koran down the toilet and urinating on the Koran,' Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the detainees' motives."
If you haven't studied the Left as closely as I have, you might be tempted to take the above excerpt and repeat it to every gloating Lib you meet. Resist this urge! If this news of flushing and urination starts making the rounds on the liberal blogs, we'll have to deal with new allegations of the worst abuse of all: denying prisoners access to this.

11 Comments:

Blogger Nedhead said...

Hey Brash, I agree that too many people are focusing on very specific occurences and painting the whole situation with one brush. It is also true that many people only want to see the bad in this situation.

Pretty funny, how both "sides" are so blind to what they don't want to see.

Will conservatives admit that the rationale for invading IRaq was seriously flawed and that the whole operation was poorly planned and executed? No, of course not, because the only flaws identified were pointed out by the liberal media, and you know you can't trust them!

Will liberals admit that the prison abuse scandal is making mountains out of molehhills? No, of course not, nothing that is done by the military or government at this time in history is OK, because Bush is at the helm. Also, conservatives are saying that it is not a big deal, so liberals have to disagree!

I guess abuse of prisoners is OK. Especially if it is in small amounts. Hey, if only 5 detainees die out of 1000, that ain't so bad! And you know what, so what if some prisoners are tied up naked and forced to pose for photographs, whats a little prison humor? Come on, whats the big deal, right?

6/06/2005 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Actually, a lot of people on the Right have been critical of the way this war has, and is being fought. Check out the archives on the National Review.

Second, no one on the Right has tried to argue that no one should be punished for the prison abuse in Abu Ghraib, just that it doesn't rise to the level of torture the Left is making it out to be.

6/06/2005 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

I was doing what I accused others of, painting everyone with the same brush. Mea culpa.

Gosh, if we could just get prisoners to talk with please and thank you, wouldn't this world be peachy?

BTW how is new Gorillaz album?

6/06/2005 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brash

"no one on the Right has tried to argue that no one should be punished for the prison abuse in Abu Ghraib, just that it doesn't rise to the level of torture the Left is making it out to be."

Do you remember the photo of dude that appeared to be wired, we like to tell our selves that he never got zapped with current it was all just a pose, our guys would never do that to a prisoner. Truth is we don't like to admit to ourselves that we don't know, we weren't there and there was no oversight. But given the fact that they were willing to get these guys but ass naked on all fours, its entirely possible that the poor S.O.B. got lit up. Truth ain't always pretty, but we're never going to know it either way, are we?

-Napolean

6/06/2005 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

New Gorillaz album? Eh, it has its moments.

6/07/2005 07:15:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Point taken Napolean, we'll never know the details. Perhaps I'll clarify, it doesn't rise to the level of systematic torture.

6/07/2005 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think I can buy that, provided that what happened really doesn't go any higher up than some really naughty gaurds...the questions that keep me up at night...Some times I think our actions are going to be in vain and that we're really just breeding the next generation of terrorists, I get the sense from the news that the Arab world might see this stuff as systematic regardless of the truth any way, if they hated us before they probably hate us more now.
-Napolean

6/07/2005 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Maybe, but what does that even mean? They're going to fly 6 planes into buildings next time?

6/07/2005 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Steve said...

Napoleon,

You really need to check out what the Wall Street Journal had to say regarding AI today.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006789

In case you don't read the whole thing, focus on the last paragraph:

"even after 9/11, Amnesty still didn't think terrorism was a big deal. In its eagerness to suggest that every detainee with a Muslim name is some kind of political prisoner, and by extension to smear America and its allies, Amnesty has given the concept of "aid and comfort" to the enemy an all-too-literal meaning."

6/07/2005 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve thank you for the article I did take the time to read it , I would like to point out that this is an opinion piece mainly with regard to the gulag thing it does not contain information that significantly impacts the meaning of the report or what the truth may be, it does not change the way the war has been or will be conducted, it does not bring transparency to our detention facilities, it does little if almost nothing to influence Americas current public image in the eyes of the world. And Brash what that previous comment means is that if we want to win the peace and have future security we need a good public image in the middle east and places like Gitmo, and Abu Ghriab are making better ammo than stinger missles if we're going to repeat the mistakes of the past. To suggest that any one who questions the treatment and conditions of these facilities is some how giving aid to the enemy is ludacrist in this equation when you consider whats at stake and the administrations in-eptness at accounting for it. Despite what the conservative doctines state world opinion does matter it determines how the world works with us or against us.

and I reiterate the admin found this one statement, made a media stink over it and used it as a distraction against the actual findings of the report so that the masses wouldn't suddenly question what is being done here, because AI is that big.

6/07/2005 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just incase you missed this before

Cheney found a verbal chink in the armour and took a cheap shot because they don't want you to read the report. The total mesage of the report is that the way we have conducted the war on terror has led to an increase in human rights violations world wide. Now... this is the important stuff...What AI is saying is that three things have happened:

A)the one were all up in arms about- The US may have directly violated human rights at its detention facilities.
B) Nations in co-operation with the war on terror have violated human rights on our behalf.
C) Third party nations (such as cuba) that are not nessecarily involed in the real war on terror have co-opted the terminology and are arresting their political disidents by labeling them terrorists and holding them indefinately.

So even if our detainies are eating chocolate cake down in Gitmo, countries that had poor human rights to begin with are escalating the number of violations either on our behalf executing the war on terror, or using our example as an excuse. And thats the real point AI was trying to make.
-Napolean

6/07/2005 11:52:00 AM  

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