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Thursday, June 30, 2005

Iraq FAQ: Day Two

As of this morning there are two entries in the Iraq FAQ; both ready and waiting for feedback. The FAQ itself is already getting unmanageable so any ideas on how to separate it are appreciated.

More updates to come.

21 Comments:

Blogger Nedhead said...

No idea how best to create a more manageable setup. Bit off more than you could chew, it seems.

"Had Bin Laden accepted, the Iraqi government would have played the role of the Taliban on 9/11. Now ask yourself this question: If you solicit a hitman to do a job but he turns you down, do you still go to jail?"

I wonder is the prison time for soliciting murder the same as committing murder? It is not.

So base an invasion, billions of dollars and thousands of lives on "could have"?

6/30/2005 05:35:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

"I wonder is the prison time for soliciting murder the same as committing murder? It is not."

I think that's streching the analogy a bit far. All I was trying to imply was guilt, not degrees of guilt. Based on your objection I assume you accept the analysis as it stands?

6/30/2005 07:24:00 AM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

Brash, I admire your effort in this matter, really, but unless you can find a "smoking gun" I don't think you could justify the Iraq invasion to me.

However, on the flip side, absolutely nothing I will say would convince you of my position.

Stalemate.

Most of what I am reading from you
is a lot of implications and circumstantial evidence. A country should not create war on that kind of evidence. The administration has clearly admitted that the information they based their judgement for the invasion was flawed. But they can't admit that the overall planning of the war and continued course of action is failing. They are afraid to admit mistakes. Can you honestly tell me that it doesn't bother you that with each passing year we are told it will take longer and longer? Have you no conscience?

I felt my first question to you yesterday was vary apropo. If they had properly planned this thing from the start, do you really think there would be such hoopla now? They trusted in thier intelligence "professionals" to justify the invasion, but didn't trust in their military "professionals" to do the job. That is why we are fucked. They (our government) are to arrogant to admit failure and look for real alternative solutions.

6/30/2005 07:43:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Ned, The reason I haven't dug into your first question is because I don't totally disagree. There were a lot of screw-ups in this war. That said, there's a whole TV serites called "WWII Greatest Blunders". And war will have screw-ups, it's the nature of the beast.

At any rate, what was the smoking gun in Afghanistan? That they were there? Even if you dismiss the fact that Iraq invited them, by the time we went to Iraq Zarqawi was there so the point is moot. I honmestly don't think any amount of evidence could convince you we should have gone, but that's different than saying we didn't have a case for going.

6/30/2005 08:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this administration cannot admit mistakes, then forget admitting defeats.

Afghanistan as the "forgotten war" is apparently long from being finished. At least we had a fairly accurate idea of where the perpetrators from 9/11 were hanging out when we made the universally supported decision to go there.

No amount of documentation that suggests communication between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government redeems the decision to invade the country, if only for strategic reasons. Besides, if we invaded everyone who talked to our enemies, we'd invade half of Latin America for talking to Castro. If we had the army.

The reason that Iraq is turning out to be such a strategic blunder is borne out by our brand new Iranian election. There was an active pro-democracy, pro-American movement in that country until Abu Greib. Parents of the freedom loving students there didn't have to go far to remind them of atrocities under the U.S. backed Shah. It's how the current version of the Islamic revolution started. Now one of that generation is their president.

That's the problem with war. What goes around comes around.

6/30/2005 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

But Brash the case presented for going was not just or honest.

I think anonymous has a point. And this situation is beyond mere blogging. Decades of poor judgement in middle eastern policy and a continued failure to this very minute have fostered the international attitude towards our nation. Until we are no longer led by grumpy old men, we are doomed to repeat our failures.

6/30/2005 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

The only way I could see this working in a way that is palatable for readers and saves you from being shackled to it the 24 Hour Live Nude Iraq Conspiracy Theory Wankery Blog (you, Brash, are not necessarily the one doing the wanking) is to start a seperate 9/11 FAQ Blog. (Or better yet, a Wiki!)


Just a thought.

6/30/2005 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

"There was an active pro-democracy, pro-American movement in that country until Abu Greib. Parents of the freedom loving students there didn't have to go far to remind them of atrocities under the U.S. backed Shah. It's how the current version of the Islamic revolution started. Now one of that generation is their president.

Bobo,
A seperate 9/11 blog? Not sure what you're getting at. What's in question about 9/11 besides the question of Iraq's involvement.


"

That's not really what happened Anon, follow the Iran link I have in the sidebar if you're interested.

6/30/2005 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

"No amount of documentation that suggests communication between Al Qaeda and the Iraqi government redeems the decision to invade the country, if only for strategic reasons. Besides, if we invaded everyone who talked to our enemies, we'd invade half of Latin America for talking to Castro. If we had the army."

So do you not accept the hitman analogy?

6/30/2005 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Ned,
Could you expand on the statement "But Brash the case presented for going was not just or honest."

Thinking it might be the next thing I tackle, unless there's something else you guys would prefer.

6/30/2005 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Crackpot Press said...

Wow, I was thinking that there is a stronger Bush-Ladin, Bush-Sadaam connection that a Ladin-Sadaam connection.



Live from the grassy knoll,

-D

6/30/2005 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

I said 9/11. I should have said Iraq/9/11.

What I meant was move the Iraq/911 FAQ project to a seperate blog, on blogger or wherever. I guarantee this thing is going to get unwieldy and your days will be sucked into a QUAGMIRE of comment management.

That way you can be more leisurely in your research instead of being reactive and just throwing up links trying to keep content fresh on limburg.com

The FAQ is a good idea, a flytrap as it were. I think it could turn into a rich resource and could make you blog king or something. It would be a shame not giving it its due.

So now, when Shiavo is spotted breaking wind in church or pinching peaches at Safeway, you could turn your attention to that as quickly as possible.

Just a thought.

The Yardbirds live version of "Daze and Confused" kicks ass over Zep's. Just thought I'd add that.

6/30/2005 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

lol, lil bobo, you make me laugh.

Brash, I think the dictionary definition of "just" would be more than enough to expound on my comment. I truly believe that our fearless leaders twisted information to their needs. None of the justifications for war (i.e. WMD's, connection to 9/11, our nation being safer) were well-founded, and time has only reinforced such. The administration allowed itself to be blinded by partiality. It was their way or the highway, know what I mean? You are either with us or against us. I will continue to point to the administrations disregard of the Army's planning advice as proof positive that this war was, and is, not being handled in the best interest of our nation, let alone Iraq.

6/30/2005 11:57:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Bobo,
Good advice. I'm going to work on a temporary solution next week, with something more like you described coming ASAP. Will probably require moving off of Blogger (at least partially)so it may be a bit.

Thanks for bearing with me in the meantime.

6/30/2005 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To sum up... Bo (lil bobo to me cuz I'm a wank) has a good idea in encouraging the host to set up a digital repository of documented evidence connecting Iraq to 9/11.

Brash, I'll check out the sidebar. As for the hitman analogy, once a hitman, always a hitman. Remember, he used to work for us. Actually, so did Bin Laden. Kinda makes you wonder what we don't know, eh?

6/30/2005 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

No problem, BL.

Just remember me when you accept your Knighthood at the next convocation of the Neo-Con Cabal.

Where is it this year? The caldura of a dormant volcano? A vault below Zurich?

A remember folks, that's BASTARD OF ART AND COMMERCE. bastardofaandc.blogspot.com

OR

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6/30/2005 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

Hey, Brash, check this guys blog:
http://leonardclark.com/blog/

Can you find me an individual soldiers blog that says the opposite of this guy? Something as lucid and erudite?

7/01/2005 06:53:00 AM  
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