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Monday, June 13, 2005

Patriotic Dissent vs. Weak-Kneed Flip-Flopping

Moxiegrrrl, my good friend with a bad case of liberalism, posted this story on her website and asked for the Republican response. As weary as I am of debating Iraq, the interview I read this morning with the foreign minister of Iraq gave me renewed enthusiasm. In that spirit I offer my response.

I don't care if it's a United States congressman or the guy who bags my groceries, their opinion on the war is only as good as the reason they arrived at it. Lets examine Mr. Jones' grievances:

"When I look at the number of men and women who have been killed — it's almost 1,700 now, in addition to close to 12,000 have been severely wounded — and I just feel that the reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it was never there."

His argument boils down to the fact that A.) freeing Iraq is all well and good so long as no one gets hurt, and B.) because the assumptions we originally made about Iraq were incorrect, it renders the cause null and void. To members of the Left this reasoning is totally sound, and you have to admit that its simplicity makes it appealing.

Above all it's politically convenient, as illustrated by Moxie's eagerness to embrace Jones as a model for other Republicans. Thank you, but I'd rather get my dissenting views from people who have exhibited a desire to understand the complexities of the situation. For example, here are two articles from reporters on the ground. They're not flattering, and they're not pretty, but for someone who wants to develop an informed opinion on the situation, they're essential.

If you're willing to look, the Right continues to offer constructive criticism of the way the war has been handled. It's exactly the type of dissent that people call "the highest form of patriotism". Mr. Jones' tired talking points are not.


Blogger Billion Year Old Carbon said...

Brash, There are many good reasons to get out of Iraq besides the two you listed, a very big one is the 300 billion dollar and rising price tag on the whole thing, thats a large chunk of the economy for years to come, Its almost like we'll be paying reparations for having won the war. And while we can't just simply walk away like we have done to so many others in the past I think people are begining to realize its time to wrap it up, the war is hurting our nation more than it is helping it. I believe that the culmination of events over the past five years is going to cause some great changes to occur as more rational and bi-partisan leadership emerges.

6/13/2005 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

What about the current political climate makes you think more bipartisan leadership is on its way? Furthermore, when was the last time we had bipartisan leadership? WW2 maybe? It's just business as usual right now in Washington.

6/13/2005 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Billion Year Old Carbon said...

So because its buisness as usual a rational examination of what is best for the country by both parties should get chucked out the window along with the people who raise the issue? I have always believed that the system works and is designed to correct its self, it is designed so that the end results are not partisan when correctly and honestly applied. Never love the party more than the unity and stability of the Nation.

6/13/2005 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

No, that's not what I'm saying. My point is that rarely in history have moderates created moderation. For the most part, it comes from neccesary comprimise between two extremes.

6/13/2005 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Prof. Galt said...

It's hurting our nation? Of course it is. Every war hurts a nation. It's the results that hopefully help it.

And the hopeful result of this war will be a stable and free Iraq that can protect itself. If we leave too early, all the cost you talk about will be for nothing, and it will hurt us more than help us for sure.

I would agree that this war could be handled better. I hope we can hasten the readiness of a larger Iraqi force. But all this takes time.

The end result, if successful will be worth it, if any loss of life or amount of money in a war has ever been worth it.

6/13/2005 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

Until our leaders, in both the Legislative and Executive branches are willing to admit faulty planning and to sit down and truly look at a way to clean up the mess, a stable and free Iraq is NOT going to happen. A few dissenting voices, unless they multiple very quickly, will not a change make. Although, kudos to the brave repubs who are willing to stand up to the party leadership.

The administration in particular (as in all administrations, admittedly) does not seem to be willing to accept alternatives to its mission plan. This inflexiblity will lead us down the drain. The mess in Iraq is a lose-lose situation right now, and by not willing to entertain alternative options, our government is failing us.

And, no, I do not have a solution, but I have heard and seen enough about our own leaders to realize they will not give up the fight.

Remember the black knight? (monty python fans unite, be you repubs, dems, liberterians or rabid rabbits) "Come back here, I'll bite your knees off!" That scene reminds me of our stubborn leadership.

6/14/2005 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Prof. Galt said...

I would say the main issue is getting Iraqi troops capable of protecting their own homeland. And it needs to be done FASTER. But, it would take more money and more committment to do this right. NOT LESS. That is my complaint for this administration.

How is this admin being stubborn? They won't admit mistakes? OK, that's politics. But what mistakes are you talking about that when they admit to them, this whole thing will be fixed. The only thing I can come up with from the Left's POV is the "mistake" of going in all together, so we should pull out ASAP. But I don't think it was a mistake to go in.

Anyway - we ARE making progress in Iraq, it's just the speed of progress that concerns me. I'm SO FREAKIN happy to have an Admin that WON'T change course because of polls. I am 100% confident in our ability to get Iraq secure and independent. It will take time, and unfortunately more lives. but that is war. And the benefits CAN NOT be calculated now. It will be judged by history.

6/15/2005 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Greg Mills said...

If I could step in...yes?

I'm against the war, but for staying. The objective has shifted so many times and the grounds for the war have been so poorly articulated that the best we can do at this point the only correct thing to do now is brood over Iraq until we birth SOMETHING that doesn't lead to more chaos. That something may end up being something very distasteful. To leave now after making this mess would be unconscionable. Hopefully not. Let's hope the cock-eyed optimists are right. But I'm reserving my doubts.

6/16/2005 04:13:00 PM  

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