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Wednesday, July 06, 2005

Greens Don't Want Progress, They Want Utopia

Unless it's breaking news I hate to do a repeat topic, but judging by yesterday's comments it needs to be done. The general response to my critique of the Kyoto treaty was "so long as it's doing something to help the environment, it's good (just don't ask me about the details)."

Just for laughs, let's work with that thesis.

You're George Bush. After a few too many drinks one night you accidentally sign the Kyoto treaty. Damn. Now you have to figure out a way to reduce greenhouse emissions while keeping energy production at the levels the economy requires. You call some granola-eating hippy into your office for advice. The solution? "Wind power man...it, like, harnesses the power of mother nature."

The obvious solution is to build an enormous windmill farm off the east coast that will provide the energy we need without harming the environment. Well...not so fast there Mr. Bush, because while residents on the east coast like green energy, they love their view, and sailing, and fishing, and....hell, this isn't going to work.

Undaunted, you just decide to move them somewhere inland, where they won't negatively affect any of the people you're trying to help. Unfortunately it's not just people you have to be concerned about. Sure you're reducing CO2 emissions, but you're also killing birds. Environmentalists love green energy, but not if it costs the life of one burrowing owl.

Hmmmm. This turned out to be pretty complicated, and that's exactly the point. Obviously reducing pollution is a good thing, but implementing solutions is never clean and painless. America is getting greener at it's own pace, full of fits and starts. The Kyoto treaty short circuits this natural evolution, and punishes us for doing anything but the quickest, stupidest solution.

10 Comments:

Blogger Nedhead said...

Soooo, is there an alternative to the Kyoto Protocol?

Wait, I know! Lets drill for more oil in Alaska!

Hold on! There is some virgin forest in Wisconsin located in a federal park, lets go logging!

Hey, I've got an idea, lets roll back clean air requirements!

Wait a tic! There might be oil for the taking in public lands in Wyoming, Utah, Colorado.

The Bush administration has proven that it does not regard our environment as a priority. If you can prove otherwise do so. So, by rebuking a possible solution to problems, they just say it's bad for our economy, so there! Good rationale!

BTW, our own Senate recently passed a resolution calling for the reduction in US produced greenhouse gases.

Man, all these bandwagon greenies! Can't they see that BushCo is right and they are wrong!

7/06/2005 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Ned,
I'm pretty sure the Senate thing died, unless you're thinking of something other than the McCain/Lieberman thing.

"The Bush administration has proven that it does not regard our environment as a priority. If you can prove otherwise do so. "

If you're going to claim that something is "proven", I think it's on you to provide the proof first in order for me to disprove it.

7/06/2005 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

Yes, it did die, but it is proof that there are people in our government, gasp!, that disagree with the environmental policies of the administration.

The policies of this administration regarding the environment are identified quite clearly on the National Resource Defense Council website. That is were I get my proof.

http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/050629b.asp

http://www.nrdc.org/land/forests/qroadless.asp

http://www.nrdc.org/land/use/qwest.asp

http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/050616b.asp

http://www.nrdc.org/land/wilderness/arctic.asp

http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/040312.asp

The articles I present prove that BushCo does not hold the environment as a high priority. Once you disprove all of the above I will gladly produce more. Thank you.

7/06/2005 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Brash Limburg said...

Ned,
The first one has to do with human testing of pesticides, not sure how that hurts the enviornment...

Regardless, all your articles come from the same source, and after reading through them it's hard to miss the bias. Before you put up another batch, I want to focus on the article about ANWAR. Reread the one you posted, then read this one:
http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/goldberg200503180758.asp

Paints a different picture huh? Funny what you learn when you actually visit a place. You're a smart guy, so I expect some constructive feedback on the article. It really opened my eyes the first time I read it.

7/06/2005 01:56:00 PM  
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7/06/2005 02:08:00 PM  
Blogger Nedhead said...

Alright, I tried to read the article, a bit long and quite the op-ed piece. The author states this at one point:

"...would cause irreversible damage to one of God's most awesome creations." This is irresponsible absurdity. Not only would the damage, in fact, be reversible; this area simply cannot hold a candle to God's most awesome creations."

So, because it has giant mosquitoes, warbles under elks skin(I think that was it), poor eskimo populations living in metal shacks, the smallest elk herd and isn't aesthetically pleasing, we should plunder the area for resources?

I don't have the time to spell out how often we, as humans, destroy something that we think is virtually useless and learn after the fact that maybe it was an intergral part of the ecosystem. I can point to the destruction of wetlands (swamps that breed mosquitoes - gasp!) and how their destruction has eliminated important natural filters of water, played a significant part in shrinking water aquifers, and has worsened flooding conditions.

The article referenced "God's creation". The creation is this earth. Not just cute little bunny's but ugly, pain-in-the-ass mosquitoes too. We are all part of the equation.

And I know that the NRDC website is biased towards the environment. I am too. Any source that I could find would be identified as biased in your eyes.

In conclusion, even if the oil drilling operations are super-duper enviro-friendly, I have yet to see any hard research that clearly says the amount of oil we will get from the region will make a significant difference in our dependence on foriegn oil. So, I don't believe it is worth it. And I am not so naive to think that we have to preserve everything, I want my cake and to eat it too!

7/07/2005 06:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brash,

I don't see a Utopia requirement. The average American would be quite happy with simple progress. Movement in the right direction, any positive movement, instead of moving in the wrong direction (aka the conservative's Orwellian doublespeak misnomer of "Clean Air Act").

As a general comment, I find it fascinating that people have no problem envisioning man-made hell on Earth (nuclear war, environmental destruction, etc.). Yet they find it virtually impossible -- even laughable -- when asked to imagine that achieving a sustainable global economy & ecology is possible.

7/07/2005 07:28:00 AM  
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